Best Podcast Episodes About Anthropic to Contest Supply Chain Risk Designation in Court

“The Pentagon wants to punish Anthropic as the feud over AI safeguards grows increasingly nasty, but officials are also worried about the consequences of losing access to its industry-leading model, Claude. Anthropic has said it is willing to adapt its usage policies for the Pentagon, but not to allow its model to be used for the mass surveillance of Americans or the development of weapons that fire without human involvement.”

“Part of this, what I believe the fight is over is like two main clauses that Anthropic kind of puts on these contracts, which is we don't want our AI to be used to autonomously kill people without any humans in the loop. And we don't want it to be used to, I believe, autonomously surveil the American people. And those are two things that I believe the DOD already says it essentially doesn't do.”

“I think, though, that the supply chain risk designation would be a much more harmful thing for them because it would mean that if you are, say, Amazon and you have Anthropic as one of your providers, you know, they sell Anthropic's models through their services, you then have to go through all of your servers and all of your data centers and all of your sort of workflows and make sure that nothing that touches any of your government work also touches an Anthropic model.”

“The issue now is that Anthropic is restricting Pentagon's access, like American-owned self-defense against these kinds of things. And so the Pentagon is getting fed up and issuing them an ultimatum and saying, listen, if you don't figure this out, we're going to classify you as a threat to the country. Now, I have to give credit to Anthropic for maintaining their identity evenly across every single facet, but I don't think it's the smart way to do it.”

“The Pentagon wants to punish Anthropic as the feud over AI safeguards grows increasingly nasty, but officials are worried about the consequences of losing access to its industry-leading model, Claude. The only reason we're still talking to these people is we need them and we need them now. The problem for these guys is that they are good, a defense official told Axios ahead of the meeting.”

“What that would mean is that's a pretty heavy option, right? Because that is a type of thing that they would normally reserve for a foreign adversary influence, right? You'd be like, oh, Anthropic is controlled by Russia or China or something like that, or something that could compromise national security. But the fact that they want to use it makes it pretty clear that it's not that. So that's really a threat, because it's kind of like, if we did this, it would immediately terminate your $200 million contract, which is like not zero dollars.”

“"Anthropic has pretty strict restrictions on how their technology can be deployed. For instance, it can't be used for domestic surveillance or fully autonomous weapons. You know, the fully autonomous weapons thing really gets me. What Anthropic is saying here is not like some woke, left wing, wild thing. It's saying that machines can't be the ones to fully push the button. Right?"”

“The Pentagon is pushing four leading AI labs to let the military use their tools for, quote, all lawful purposes, even in the most sensitive areas of weapons development, intelligence collection, and battlefield operations. Anthropic has not agreed to those terms, and the Pentagon is getting fed up after months of difficult negotiations. The tensions came to a head recently over the military's use of Claude in the operation to capture Venezuela's Nicolas Maduro through Anthropic's partnership with AI software firm Palantir.”